DAT Poker Podcast featuring six-time WSOP bracelet winner Daniel Negreanu and former TwoPlusTwo Pokercast hosts Adam Schwartz and Terrence Chan has officially launched.

Veteran professional poker player and Team PokerStars Headline Pro Daniel Negreanu has partnered with producer Ross Henry along with veteran personalities Adam Schwartz and Terrence Chan to launch DAT Poker Podcast.


The trio dedicated several minutes of their pilot show to talk about Pennsylvania online poker, which is expected to launch for real money play in upcoming months. The dialogue is provided below in written form in the “Quotes” section.

Our readers who would like to engage with additional information related to licensed online gaming in the United States (particularly Pennsylvania) can consult the following Part Time Poker guides.

Regulated Statewide U.S. Online Poker Update (Aug 14, 2018)
Pennsylvania Poker Revenue for Fiscal Year 2017-2018 (Jul 31, 2018)
Pennsylvania Casino Self-Exclusion Regulatory Guide (Jun 17, 2018)
Pennsylvania Category 4 Casino FAQs (Mar 12, 2018)
Pennsylvania Category 2 Casinos: Licensing Process (May 31, 2018)
Pennsylvania Compulsive and Problem Gambling Regulatory Guide (Jun 9, 2018)
PA Gaming Control Board Meeting Timestamps (Jul 21, 2018)
Michigan Online Poker Bill FAQs (May 5, 2018)
Michigan Regulated iGaming Study Guide (Feb 6, 2018)
New York Online Poker Bill FAQs (Apr 10, 2018)
Louisiana Senate Bill 322 Would Regulate iGaming (Mar 5, 2018)
Arkansas Casino Petition and Rising Lobbying Costs (Jul 13, 2018)
Statewide Gambling Expansions and Voter Referendum Mandates (May 3, 2018)

DAT Poker Podcast Debut: Pennsylvania Online Poker Quotes

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DAT Poker Podcast — PA online poker and regulated iGaming discussion:

(36:50) ADAM SCHWARTZ: Speaking of online poker, we’ve got a couple of things to talk about. One of them is the constant battle for legislation and regulation of online poker in the U.S. A bunch of things have happened recently that make us more hopeful for the future of online poker in the U.S. One was the sports betting [prohibition bill] struck down and opening that up, and the other is just this general move to acceptance of gambling online that’s happened over the last year.

It’s taken forever to get us here. I know Terrence and I basically stopped talking about this stuff on our show, because it was like, ‘Wake me up when everybody comes to their senses.’ But it seems like we’re moving more in that direction. Now things are happening in all different kinds of states. The latest one, Pennsylvania, has become the fourth state to regulate online poker. It sold I believe nine licenses. This is a pretty big deal because the population of Pennsylvania [is roughly equal to that of Nevada, New Jersey, and Delaware combined].

So this doubles the population that has access to legalized online and regulated poker in the U.S. in one fell swoop here with Pennsylvania. They have intrastate compacts built-in in Pennsylvania, so we’re going to be opening up the doors to have a combined player pool with those other three states. Or at least — it depends on the licensee. PokerStars doesn’t operate in Nevada because of a [suitability] rule Nevada put in, but they do operate in New Jersey and Delaware. So there are going to be intrastate compacts, which is the next big hope for online poker in the U.S. because if you have [the market] ring-fenced around each state, you’re going to have a hard time building up a player pool to have any kind of excitement to build tournament series, etc. So this is a big deal. [It’s] fantastic that Pennsylvania is coming aboard. It looks like the last quarter of 2018 or early 2019 that that’s going to happen.

Daniel, what are your thoughts on sort of the general condition of online poker in the states and maybe have you talked to some people with PokerStars that have some hope for the future here?

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(39:22) DANIEL NEGREANU: It’s obviously unfortunate that we have to try to legalize online poker state-to-state rather than at the federal level. But fighting the federal case is just not worthwhile right at this point. So this is our only ‘in,’ which is going state-to-state. And I’m involved in something I can’t share just yet, but there is going to be a lot more of a push to expand it.

I think if we were to get something as big as New York and California, the rest of the dominoes fall. But one of the other positive things I think we’ve seen in Europe is Spain, France, and Portugal were all separate markets? And they all kind of realized after a while that, ‘You know what guys? This doesn’t really work unless we combine markets.’ So PokerStars is now sharing liquidity in those spots. Hopefully the goal here is to go state-by-state and then join in the broader pool and revive it to a certain degree? I don’t know if it’s going to happen anytime soon. As you know these things take quite a while, but it’s a huge step — as you said — to see Pennsylvania come on board because that sort of entices New York a little bit?

California is the tough one. It sucks because California would be the best one, but there’s so many issues we face. Essentially the tribes and horse racing, and they really don’t understand the future? A lot of them don’t understand online gaming and they’re like, ‘Oh, you know what? If people play online they’re not going to come to my casino anymore!’ Which isn’t true. We know that, but there’s just been a pushback and it’s very difficult. So it’s kind of like a wasteland out there right now in terms of effort to get California on board.

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(41:00) TERRENCE CHAN: Yeah. California has been a cluster**** for some time, right? There’s so many near, short-sighted people there that are stakeholders that all want a piece of the pie, and they’re stopping everybody else from getting a piece of the pie because if somebody else gets a little bit, they get less. But meanwhile, nobody gets anything.

(41:19) DANIEL NEGREANU: It’s just really one small faction of tribes, because a lot of the tribes who are educated on it are like, ‘Okay. We want to get on board,’ because they can see the business opportunities. But if you are sort of an archaic brick & mortar guy who has horse racing and casino and you don’t really understand online gaming and how it could benefit you, then you’re going to push back. And the problem is it’s a very, very powerful group that just holds up anything from happening in California right now. It’s not like we’re going to quit on California, but hopefully with Pennsylvania coming on board and other states, maybe that will just really push them over the top.

DAT Poker Podcast Pilot Episode (Analysis)

* All analysis belongs solely to the author.

As anchor Adam Schwartz alluded to in the show, poker media discussion of regulated, statewide U.S. online poker has stalled in recent years as both players and proponents have become disillusioned with anti-iGaming rhetoric that has — in many cases — been effective in blocking favorable legislation.

The fact that Pennsylvania online poker made its way into discussion bodes well for the prospects of additional communication between players, fans and poker personality figures.

Although no official word has been communicated regarding Pennsylvania eventually linking to the existing tri-state online poker compact between New Jersey, Nevada, and Delaware, there is much speculation that this is a logical step that would further boost regulated statewide online poker in the United States.

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